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Walter Rhein's avatar

"He loved you like a son, it took a hell of a lot for you to alienate him."

"Not much, just you."

That line of dialogue gets lost sometimes, but I think it's great. I think Indy is a little treasure crazy, but when push comes to shove he does the right thing. He manages to leave the grail behind, perhaps that's the end of the character arc that begins in Raiders. Actually, when you think about it, he never gets to keep the artifacts does he?

I remember laughing at the scene where he folds the knife and looks away. "If I let you go, they'll start combing the place for us and this whole thing will be shot." If I remember right, they hadn't discovered the ark yet had they? The way the movie is set up, the ark was seen as a super weapon capable of destroying the Earth "The army that carried the ark into battle was invincible." So, a hero couldn't rightly skip out and leave the ark in the hands of the Nazis now could he?

The relationship with Marion is hard to justify, and it clearly hurt her "I was a child, I was in love, it was wrong and you knew it!" Do they mention the respective ages of the characters during this affair in the movie? Yeah, I have a big problem with 15, I have a huge problem with 11. I don't even really feel comfortable if Marion was 18 and Indy was 23. But the movie is intentionally vague there. Now, if Indy was a grad student and Marion was a freshman in college, that gets into a kind of uneasy gray area. I prefer to think of it along those lines, no matter what the writers might have speculated in the early meetings. I think Kasdan might have stepped in to save the day with some subtle edits, and no matter what anyone intended, those edits became canon.

Excellent analysis! I think we should spend more time analyzing what makes characters heroic. Indiana Jones is flawed and vulnerable, and I think that's what I like best about him. I'm looking forward to the chat today!

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Simon Dillon's avatar

I have also written about this extensively (you won't be at all shocked to hear).

To my mind, Indiana Jones is a far more interesting, complex, flawed character in Raiders of the Lost Ark. That's one of several reasons why it remains the greatest adventure film of all time (I will brook no argument with that) and the best Indiana Jones film. In the sequels, he's a much more straightforward hero, but in Raiders, you're quite right: He's a part-time grave robber whose unwise affair with a teenage girl makes him more than deserve Marion's furious tirade when they meet up again years later (I'm aware of the conversation you cited and that Spielberg insisted she be older during this brainstorming session). And yes, Belloq's "I am a shadowy reflection of you" speech (the we're-not-so-different trope among villains is one regularly trotted out in films of this kind) actually rings true for once, given that he twice abandons Marion, as you rightly point out. Is he just as obsessed as the villain?

Perhaps for much of the film, but then he sees the light at the end (thus making this an important character arc for Indy and rendering the silly it-would-all-work-out-the-same narrative argument null and void) by remembering Old Testament stories like Sodom and Gomorrah, warning Marion not to look so she doesn't become the proverbial pillar of salt. The fact that they emerge unscathed from the fiery wrath, with only the ropes burned off, also echoes the fate of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, when Nebuchadnezzar chucks them into a fiery furnace, but then God rescued them. In short, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas know there is nothing scarier than the Old Testament God. Imagine how pissed he'd be at the prospect of Nazis and French collaborators blasphemously appropriating Jewish rituals with sacred artefacts for their evil purposes? Pretty damn pissed.

By contrast, in Temple of Doom, Indy doesn't really have a character arc in the same way (his brief bewitchment in Temple of Doom doesn't count as a character arc as that is magically induced). He is pretty much a heroic white messiah figure assisting helpless peasants (a trope rightly criticised, but I still love the film) by rescuing their children and bringing back their sacred stone.

In Last Crusade - a film that comes close to matching Raiders, but not quite - Indy does have a character arc concerning the relationship with his father, which is rather poignant ("Indiana, let it go..." - the most moving scene of the series, in which, hilariously, another Elsa couldn't let it go). But again, he's a straightforward hero and nothing like the more complicated character of Raiders.

I can't be bothered to comment in detail on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and especially not the Dial of Destiny, suffice it to say, he's just a regular hero in both.

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